In 2017, SIG Sauer produced a unicorn of a pistol in the P365. I would love to meet you and show you what your are NOT talking about. WHAT ARE THE DISADVANTAGES OF THE .380 POCKET PISTOL? Learn to shoot pocket guns and find the truth yourself and stop listening to counter Clerks at big Box stores. The trigger guard on the LCP has also been enlarged in order to accommodate a gloved finger without risking pulling the trigger. Otherwise you will just get a ton of, Wait, that gun is not a GLOCK! The ratings would be a lot more reliable if everyone had to write a review along with the rating. they gladly took it back and said the Cobra .380 was selling like hotcakes. Also cobra has a lifetime warranty on their guns if you do the warranty. Most of the post are from newbies that know very little about guns in the first place. Any failure rates? Just like Fords. Or the Kahr in there? Im not saying every single person who votes needs to leave a full, detailed review, but encouraging people to at least leave a couple pros/cons would be most helpful. Buy Your Tickets Today! All these tacticool wannabes on here think theyre special. Can't argue with Sig, but I'd also add Beretta to that list, both the Nice gun, but many of Kahr owners go to the Pico and never look back. The stats of the survey may need to be expanded on as well but for the most part would not own any of the others either, just my opinion. Avoid Straight Blowback pistols These have a barrel permanently affixed to the frame versus the Delayed Blowback pistols, who have a barrel th And I dont know why Keltec lets Ruger & SCCY(and the defunct hellcat) slavishly copy their designs. Taurus TCP voted best value-best overall 380 was Kahr p380-MUCH more expensive. Yea James, if you look the SCCY gets like 4.3 stars the best out of this bunch and has the one of the higest vote stats and whats the comment from the author oh this gun stinks based on what? It is my bicycle gun. I would buy one if I needed another inexpensive backup carry gun. Yea, guns like Diamondback, Jiminez, Lorcen, High Point and so forth have always had poor reputations, but guns like SCCY and the now Springfield Armory XD were initially poo pooed but turn out to be good guns Literally, it is.) Im pretty surprised the P3AT isnt on this list. I have literally spoken to no one that has said anything positive about the Pico. Very small would suggest either real fanboys or real haters. Do you perhaps have a very early one? You can get these on line at times for I carry it about as often as I carry a Glock 19 mainly based upon clothing/belt shortcomings in dress scenarios. Thats a lot! A 380 is about as wide as a 9mm. However it is about 1/2 as powerful, 1/2 the weight and velocity. For a very long time 9mm was considered the rock Ive been averaging one light hammer strike every magazine or two, that requires a second pull of the trigger to ignite, regardless of ammo brand. But if ultimate concealment is the need, then just accept that it will need to be .380. Most people who love the P3-AT just carry it but dont use it. They are well known for their % of guns that have failure rates compared to the ones that dont. All guns I would have avoided anyway, except the Pico. These arent big enough vote pools anyway. I had 4 LCPs that went down with cracked grips, frames, broken take down pin, split rails etc. Maybe if there was an () in theremaybe that might work like Tpanga or Gnai or some such name. The trigger seem to be the trouble people have with it. (I call the SCCY, my Sunday go-to-meeting piece. For instance, I have owned 4 lcps and the pico will run circles around them. You find that to be an effective way to make friends and influence people? Really it sounds like some pretty crappy customer service. It is designed as a personal defense arm not a target pistol or a plunker. Both types are not recommened by the maker for the guns. How anyone can actually report that a gun that has the build quality of the Pico is one of the worst is beyond me. Obviously you really do not get into pocket guns or spend time with folks that do. It is not some junker throwaway, but a solid, well machined piece with a heavy but smooth DAO trigger which emulates a DA revolver, by design and makes the piece perhaps a bit more safely carried and handled for many that may feel uncomfortable with a light, short pull SA. He says the trigger is horrible? What really won me over was the quality and operation, even on the bargain CM. I have 2 of them. Ive never seen one that ran well or was anything but unpleasant to shoot, provided you can get more than one round off without a misfeed. Those small NAA revolvers you have to learn how to safely load and unload. This article was total BS. CPX 2. So special, they ride the short bus. Most often the issue is people dry firing, or using hollowpoints. . The Hellcat II was cheap when purchased new, and you can find one used for around $100. The LCP II also features forward and rear serrations on the slide, whereas the original LCP only featured serrations on the rear. Mild. Nemesis pocket holster, and 1 spare mag, goes everyehere. Her gun was unloaded while the thugs were not. (1) Astroturfing happens, both ways. According to our peers, here are the six worst pocketguns, from less awful to worstest. I appreciate the review. Forget about dropping the mag with the shooting hand, cause it aint happening. The PPK established a defining influence on the design of concealed carry firearms. Sean, I cannot find documentation of John Lott having bought reviews on Amazon. I. Ive heard more than a handful of DEALERS who rate it a much better overall weapon than the KelTec which it resembles, and the machining does appear superior in my estimation. Kahr CW 380. Theyve reportedly improved it in newer model LCPs. Happy ending. Its fun to shoot really, PS: visited the site again, feeling slightly guilty for harping on the polling validity-. Was definitely surprised that certain other brands didnt make the list. SIG P238 Why Use a .380 Pistol? The serrations on the LCP are also wider in order to get a better grip in slippery conditions when racking the slide. Bodyguard were well rated. The .380 ACP is not a powerhouse, but its often enough. CM40 is my summe4 carry. I have SCCY CPX2 Best gun ever Just keep it clean 400 rounds down range 400 rounds on target Ill bet my life on my cpx2. Funny the SCCY was rated on 2 other surveys as one of the top 5 affordable and reliable pocket guns. Have you put more than a box through it? Because they werent reliable? And I will do my best to talk others out of Kahr products. Examples of popular small pocket .380 autos include the original Ruger LCP, Taurus TCP, Smith & Wesson Bodyguard .380, and the Kel-Tec P3-AT to name a few. His comment about the mag release tell xme his knowledge of the Beretta Pico is limited to picking one up at the most. In this review, we will cover the disadvantages of the .380 pistol that the LCP II sought to remedy, what makes the LCP II an improvement over the original LCP, and the uses for and specifications of the LCP II. Safe, small, and gives me some measure of security I wouldnt have without it. AMEN . How is the pot metal Cobra #2? But with 99 votes in, the math is clear: the CPX-2 stinks. But this article should be called Articles to avoid like the Plague. Ill definitely be checking it out. This is what I really hate about stories like the one posted. But the reset on the trigger was so ridiculously long Id often miss follow up shots because I handt let it out far enough to reset. The trigger pull on most .380 autos is exceptionally long and gritty. My Gosh folks, this is total BS, read the directions. Unless you can document that, I think you are off base posting what is basically a rumor. No problem for me but then I have fired well over 100,000 rounds in 50 years. The DB380 is a cheap subcompact 380 pocket pistol. I think the SCCY might be marginally better and has 2 mags. The SCCY is even rated for +P ammo, in modest doses, according to the company. Sure you can spend $500 on a Glock or what ever else you want to list but the specs on this gun make it a easy choice and hell I can buy two for the price of most good guns. It is not a pleasant gun to shoot, but a helluva lot worse on the receiving end. Personally have no experience with them but it is to each his own and have heard nothing but good about these pistols. Extremely Mild, Plus P rated, Modular design, mags that look like Custom 1911 stainless steel. These are not military combat weapons. lol Damon really? I have pocket holsters for all but the S&W and had been carrying the XDS 45 regularly till yesterday. 400 rounds! You fire as soon as you pull and have aimed. Just keep shooting your pistol. The original Ruger LCP has been perhaps the most well-known and popular .380 pocket pistol since it was first introduced in 2008. Stainless steel throughout the gun. I have to disagree about the SCCY CPX-2. WebBest 9mm Concealed Carry (CCW) Pistol - SIG Sauer P365. You did NOT mention that the Pico has RE-STRIKE CAPAPIBILITY. And buying likes is one definite way to abuse it. (I like Glocks, but between the trigger and the slimness of the Kahr, Im a convert) My least favorite aspect of the CM40, aside from the revolver-like capacity, is the stiffness of the slide spring. Actually, the KelTec P11 is the same size, came first and holds two more rounds. The Pico is one of the most mild shooting pocket guns you will ever shoot. After the 200 round break in if you have any, then yes you should be pissed. It seems like the all metal euro pistols of yester-year beat the new models in spades. Its manageable. My dad bought a CPX-whichever has the safety about a month ago; Ill have to ask him what he thinks of it next time we talk. (Though they have better triggers than the early LCPs, thats not enough), You should try mine. In other words, its not pleasant to shot at all. Ruger sought out to remedy much of these problems with the LCP II. Current (and Growing) List of Exhibitors at the Texas Firearms Festival. I know one person who had a nightmare of an experience with the Diamondback ..380. I like its feel in my hand. Only drawback is the 2D trigger. They are meant to be defensive arms that can be easily carried in the pocket. Also you gotta test the ammo you intend to use. She shot both, along with a used Beretta .380, and chose the Sig despite the price being just about double at the time. Designed to be smaller and more compact than the Nambu 14 for use by armored vehicle crewmen and pilots, the pistol had design I use the site SlickGuns a lot to shop for deals and they ran into the same problem with upvotes and downvotes people vote something down just because they wouldnt personally buy it makes no difference if it is a good deal, good product, etc. This article by Alex Joseph originally appeared at Gun News Daily in 2019. In a fight you wont notice it. If you actually carry a gun in your pocket, even in a pocket holster, its gonna get dirty. Its not a range gun, and should not be treated as such. Ruger LCR in 38 spcl +P. Their Reviewers have alot of feed issues due to lack of knowledge of proper grip. Maybe something like this? Otherwise, their opinion may mean nothing. My hands are simply too large for the tiny Ruger. I understand its not for everyone but its a good quality firearm with excellent customer service. customer service should you need it that transfers with the gun. Remarkable build quality. One now has over 4,000 rounds of flawless ammo down range the other now over 1500 and have never broken a firing pin. The .380 pistol which has the least recoil? Above, a Ruger, below a Browning 1911380 Without even looking at their spec sheets, we can guess that I would think a pocket gun would be best kept in .380 or 9mm. Or having the mag cleaned and inspected? Have you ever even shot one? But hey, thanks for calling regulars to this site a-holes. Com-block mack chambered pistols, walthers, and the like just have better reliability w/ less break in. SuccySuckeySuckySucySukyNope. While the LCP II will accept the same 6 round magazines as the original LCP, it also will not slide lock on the last round with those magazines because they were not designed to do so. I told him Im shooting the same Remington ammo in all of them (I dont use the reloads or Russian stuff). Is it possible to find a Hellcat II that runs well, shoots well and fits well? Too many women wind up dropping the gun which the thug grabs and then uses on the woman. . Bottom line: you can do much better. Get real. He paid people to review his book on Amazon. I also feel the cw380 has very minimal recoil vs other small 380s in its same size. (dead serious) took it right back to the store. I posted a new post today regarding the nonsense by this author about the Pico. Both nice guns, the Pico is the clear winner. until you find a way to weed out braindead haters who vote based on their idiotic and unedumacated feelings all of your results will be skewed by gun store rednecks who dont know what the word ballistic even means. Actually the Hellcat felt better in the hand and was more accurate for me with a better sight than other micro pistols. When I dress up, the P380 is the best answer to the pocket-carry problem. i used to own a keltec p11. I tried to get Gunsgunsguns.net to pop up-no dice in 5 or 6 tries. Certainly one of the ugliest pistols ever manufactured, this weapon made the list of worst military pistols because its dangerous design easily surpassed its repellant appearance. I was also surprised to find the CM40 rated so poorly. Yes, the LCP II is still a .380 pocket pistol and as a result is still snappy. Double strike capability, Magazines all stainless that look like custom 1911 mags. It just goes into endless redirects until your browser gives up on it. So I returned it to them, they replaced several worn parts and returned it. I fire a couple of magazines a month thru them so as not to get too rusty . Oh wow I finally got their awful website to workP3at is #1! Ive got a CPX-2 and a Hellcat. All run like sewing machines. With a much lighter trigger, enhanced slide serrations, wider grip, impressive stippling job, and the ability to slide lock on the last round, the LCP II is a definitive improvement over other comparable .380 pocket guns. Even though its not made anymore, Ive been interested in trying out a Taurus PT638 if I ever ran across one for a reasonable price, anyone have any experience with one? Springfield operator: 5.2 How so? I totally agree. I think you would be hard pressed to find any thing this good for that price. And surely have not shot one or very little. Yes, he and others are social media whizkids, but not firearm experts. No problems with it at all. The CM40 being smaller and lighter might exhibit a little more, but its not unmanageable. Ive no complaints. Far too many people have shot themselves or objects in their house loading a NAA revolver because they didnt pay attention to safety instructions. The slide has the most ineffective grooves Ive ever felt. Once in a great while, a firearm becomes so popular that it becomes a cultural icon. Certainly it should appear on the Wikipedia page. I have no Idea how this writer came up with this Bottom Feeder nonsense. Actually if the SCCY is on here then the Mill Pro G2 should be also, and that gun is a trainwreck compared to the SCCY. It is my favorite except the 15 ounce weight makes it have more recoil than a typical 9mm. I love mine(CPX 2,no safety) Best carry gun for your dollar bar none. Its very much a personal decision then, based on fit, function, and how well it shoots. Total joke. I had an occasional ejection glitch in mine when I first got it, but the company paid to have it shipped back to them for adjustment, and the piece hasnt hiccupped a single time, since. Diamondback has been plagued by trouble. I shoot pocket guns all the time. From what I have heard the folks at SCCY provide great customer service. I dont see it. After using a proper fitting mag, very few jams, maybe 2 or 3 per 100 rounds. Its elegant lines and precision engineering have a timeless appeal. I shot the cpx-1 and the cpx-2and never had a problem with either. As soon as I saw the title I knew the Pico would be on the list. Though my CW380 was also unreliable and pinched my finger after firing. Funny, I have the SCCY CPX-2 and I love it. No aluminum. Apparently their readership likes Sigs with large sample sizes. Wonder if SCCY will give you a deal on a trade in for that one ? Sorry, until you have vetted ratings, the site is nothing more than adspam. He may want to trade the SCCY with the safety in for one of the newer ones without a safety. But despite those advantages, .380 pocket pistols have also been plagued by a number of downsides. Sorry, with all due respect to Mr Henson, I wish you the best of luck, and while I see how this might help some buyers sort from the thousands of gun models, its only a start. Bounce is not horrible but that along with size will take some of the enjoyment out of the session. I would bet my life on this smallish, nice looking pistol. OMG! Tiny, safety features, serious calibers, etc. And then the gall to refer to Jeremy who by the way did not bother to report that the upgraded model fixed all the issues with the first run. .380 pocket pistols are traditionally difficult to fire for a number of reasons: in addition to the horrid trigger pulls like we just discussed, they also suffer from being extremely snappy due to their small size. Sorry, but NOT my Kahr. Encountered types on the old KT forums that whines like a little girl. He says it is a blunder. And I didnt enjoy shooting my G27 until I got the extended base plates with additional capacity. Try the Sig P938 If you are truly carrying for protection you dont mind the Sig Price if your life is on the line and the P938 shoots like a minature 1911 Love mine and have had several friends buy them after shooting my P938 SAS. But do not tell me the Kahr is a better gun. I called the factory and was accused of limp wristing. Take the guns in this article, for example: did people downvote them because they were too uncomfortable to fire? No problem with the SCCY at all. I would very much like to see your proof/examples. It is considerably lighter and smoother than the original LCP and other comparable .380 pistols, and it also features the Glock-style bladed safety that must first be depressed in order for the trigger to be pulled. Empties wouldnt just fail to clear the slide; theyd never leave the chamber. Small, accurate and reliable. Non shooters called me a liar that we could do it, but any bad guy within 30 yards is in great danger, even though it has been a long time. Nonetheless, the fact that they are difficult to shoot can be a major problem for training and self-defense purposes. The Beretta Tomcat, though only .32, much fatter, and blowback, is a far, far superior gun. I own two of them, shoot pockets guns each week and have been for years. This is like the buzzfeed of gun articles. Im not going to bash talk the CPX-2 , but its going to take me a while to get use to it. They are all solid, dependable, and reliable. +1. Yes it did. It makes my SR40C feel like a 9mm. I alone will take up the Masterpiece banner, carry it aloft, plant it on the nearest peak and proclaim, Get thee 6 extra recoil springs and thou shalt have a decent pistol for a year or more, even.. While the LCP II is still a small pocket pistol, Ruger made a number of improvements to it. S&W Bodyguard .380 7. Bersa Thunder 5. Or the Springfield EMP (Though mine runs awesome, they are known for manufacturing problems). The price is right, but the performance and ratings just arent. Solid with FMJ round nose once broken in, will NOT feed hollow points until after a trip back to the factory. Uh no. Maybe so few were sold they didnt make the list. It smacks you hand, mostly due to the 2 finger grip. I bought it after reading the review on TTAG. Hey Dan, what gun have you designed or invested in? Obvious, one writers bias, trying to get internet rookies to bash guns most have never shot nor even understand. (2) You have no idea who the reviewers are and what their qualifications to rate a firearm areeven if they tell you. Im curious as to how you derived your +/- error bars and why you are calling 25-50 votes statistically significant. Those are awfully small sample sizes compared to the number of guns of each make/model in production. Why Beretta didnt copy the ergonomics on that is a mystery to me. Are you kidding me? How about some info on some of the pocket pistols that may be considered the best? Caveat: I bought mine used, so I dont know if the previous owner had done any tweaking to get it that reliable or not, or whether a factory-fresh one would need any sort of break-in period. I have two of the Picos. I think the wheel guns are less likely to have a problem. Look at the back of the slide. The reason the trigger pull is lighter is because it is a SA trigger versus the DA trigger on the original LCP. Still cant find that silent u in it to make it sky. http://virtualchick.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/unicorn.jpg. So now I have a paperweight in the shape of a gun ! Every one of these pistols are incredibly easy to conceal in your pocket. The Manual says clearly not to dry fire the gun without snap caps. .40 maybe too big for a leetle sub-compact pistol. Surprised the Remington R51 didnt make this list. Everything they make are just wrought with problems. Did he shoot various ammo or run them for accuracy. Except for a derringer but that is because the prior owner dry fired it which you are to never do. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-right.jpg These are last resort concealment guns with a lot of punch in a small package. You want an example of why internet polls are not representative? Its tight, even well after break-in. His post show that he is just posting without knowledge of the firearms. I have not had to use them as my SCCY has functioned perfectly so far. One of the most MILD mannered pistols you can shoot in 380.They are Ultra reliable with all kinds of ammo. The CM9 is a great gun. So there. NOPE! You have entered an incorrect email address! I shoot a lot of pocket guns. 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